Last Saturday, 11th February 2023, ANH founder, Rob Verkerk PhD, had the pleasure of joining Charles Kovess on the Mind Medicine show on TNT Radio. Please enjoy catching up on this two-hour conversation which covered a breadth of subjects under the overarching topic title, 'What it means to be healthy'.

From discussion about what constitutes resilience, to the importance of diversity, how to control termites without chemicals, the impact of which wipes out diversity and damages soil health and the impact to human health, to frequencies, frequency medicine and frequence devices, you'll find that Rob and Charles left few stones unturned. Yes, they even touched on the importance of a good sex life and the power of having meaning and purpose (ikigai) in life to get you out of bed every day!

We hope you enjoy the conversation, which is divided into two 1-hour segments. If you prefer to read, the transcripts of both parts are below.

If you missed Rob's recent articles on frequency medicine and want to know more, here are the links:

>>> Frequencies (Part 1) – unearthing the mysteries of life

>>> Frequency Medicine (Part 2) - Devices: Wacky or Worthy?

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Transcript

Part 1 (jump to Part 2)

Charles Kovess

Welcome to the  program. I'm Charles Kovess, Australasia's passion provocateur. Your host for this program that goes on for two hours and today I've got something very special to tell you about. I am a passion provocateur based in Melbourne, Australia, where it's 4:00 PM where it's 9:00 PM in the Pacific. I think it's midnight in New York and my guest, who I will introduce shortly, who's with us for the full 2 hours, is a genius. Dr Rob Verkerk. And for him, it's 5:00 AM in the morning in the UK. So this show is all about how and why Mind matters. Of course, you think it matters, but I want you to be really spending a lot of time thinking about how to make your Mind better. Even more, we're gonna share with you ideas to provoke new ways of thinking about your life and about life generally. We share insights into mental health issues and health issues of all descriptions and in that vein, this show’s brought to you in association with Mind Medicine Australia. A mental health charity founded some four years ago. It's Australia's leading not-for-profit organisation.

We're working on the use of medicinal psilocybin and MDMA assisted therapies to treat a range of mental illnesses, , Australia was founded to help alleviate the suffering caused by our accelerating mental illness epidemic in Australia and globally through expanding the treatment options available to medical practitioners and their patients. The website is mindmedicineustralia.org, Unlike current treatments such as antidepressants, which only manage the illness and can have nasty side effects psilocybin and MDMA assisted therapies. I haven't told Rob I'm gonna ask him about this, but I'm gonna ask him about these two wonderful psychedelic drugs. These assisted therapies that have been scientifically proven to be a safe and effective cure for anxiety, depression and end of life, stress, addictions and PTSD after just a short treatment program. These medicines are also currently being researched for dementia, eating disorders, obsessive compulsive disorder and other conditions. Research from over 160 trials indicates that the medicines are safe and non-addictive when administered within a medically controlled environment and lead to remissions in 60 to 80% of patients after just two to three medicinal sessions, in combination with psychotherapy. Get this everybody, there have been no ‘0’ adverse events in thousands of patients. Both medicines have been granted breakthrough therapy status by the FDA to fast track their approval. And the great news is that just one week ago, the TGA, the Therapeutic Goods Administration in Australia rescheduled these two psychedelic drugs from Schedule 9, banned, to schedule 8, approved for medicinal use in Australia through psychiatrists. This is big, big, big news. It took four years to get this change of status. That means you can now go to your psychiatrist and get psilocybin or MDMA, depending on what the issue is, through your psychiatrist.  Mind Medicine, Australia has spent four years doing this, and it's dedicated to helping the rapidly emerging global movement to spread awareness and ensure these medicines are available to those who desperately need them. Mind Medicine, Australia has chapters all over Australia and has a wonderful global webinar series. It has also commenced the first ever certificate in Psychedelic Therapies which is regarded as one of the best in the world. There's a lot of mental health problems around. That's why we've got the Mind Medicine program here to help you with your mental health. And now that you can have access to these amazing drugs, please avail yourself of it. Bring it to the attention of your friends and family who may need it, who have been struggling for years to have solutions and I've seen some wonderful stories of people with ten years of PTSD. Literally, literally. Like I've seen videos of these people, amazing recoveries. So what we're also talking about in this program is passion and its impact on your life and health. I am Australasia's passion provocateur for 30 years this year. I left my legal career 30 years ago and have been on the speaking and training circuit teaching people to discover and pursue their passion. Because my proposition to you is when you are pursuing your passion you will have far better mental health. Passion is a source of unlimited energy from your soul, your spirit, your heart that enables you to produce extraordinary results. And when you come from your heart space, what happens is there's less space for fear. And trust me when I say that most mental health problems come from a fear based, a fear, dominant perspective of life rather than a passion, dominant perspective. And in the 30 years I've been running programs, I've asked audiences all around the world what percentage of people strike you as being passionate about their work. And 80% of respondents say less than 20% of people strike them as being passionate. That is a shocking waste, and I tell you, if you do what you're passionate about, your life will change. Now I come from a Hungarian origin and the Hungarian language, it happens to be very precise, and it's got a wonderful word for health. The Hungarian word is egészség. And that literally means wholeness being whole. So my definition of health and Rob Verkerk can criticise me later if he disagrees with this. But my definition of health is that health is the unique optimum balance for you. Uniquely, the unique optimum balance for you of mental, physical and spiritual elements. Nobody on the planet is like you, dear listener, there's 8 billion unique, amazing human beings. So what's the right balance for you? So in this show, I hope to provoke new thinking. There are so many benefits from listening to the show, or if you're listening to a replay of this show, sharing the show amongst your networks. As I said, I'm based here in Melbourne, the state of Victoria. In Australia, we have a federal system like the US and Canada, with its provinces. And Victoria, Melbourne used to be the world's most liveable city. However, the worst premier in Victoria's entire history, a bloke called Daniel Andrews, literally the worst, and I've been heavily involved in politics for a long time. He is the worst premier of all time and I cannot believe that he was re-elected last November. He has destroyed this city dramatically. He has destroyed this State and the linkages between him and his government and the Chinese Communist Party have not yet been disclosed. I'm also pleased to report that last night in the Gold Coast Peter McCullough from America and Pierre Kory from Canada were on the stage on the Gold Coast. They’re doing a four city tour, sharing the truth about what's happening to health. Peter and Pierre. How about that? The English and French versions of the same word, they're here. They've got sell out audiences in the Gold Coast, the Sunshine Coast, Melbourne and Sydney. I spoke to one of the attendees just before I came on the show. It was a spectacularly successful event ,wonderful information. It was a sell out audience on the Gold Coast or almost a sell out and it went for three hours. So if you can get there, I don't know if tickets are available, but. But these two guys are superstars fighting for your health. On TNT radio we talk truth. There's no political correctness, there's no woke agenda. There's no identity politics and there's no offence industry, you know, one of the things I urge you to do is to be willing to speak your truth and not worry about offending. And if somebody says they're offended by what you say. Just tell them you don't care. Go and tell somebody else. But you need to speak your truth. And one of the truths I wanna share with you is that I love this planet. I've been an organic farmer since 1976, when I had my law practice. I love this planet. I'm committed to sustainability, but I call BS on the climate emergency. There is no climate emergency. We can certainly look after the planet. But if we play these games that the globalist agenda wants to play of reducing the availability of electricity and putting its price up, it will destroy lives. It's destroying lives in the UK where my guest comes from. It's destroying lives everywhere and I just want you to understand that. In India, there are over 300,000 villages in India that do not have electricity. Electricity is the foundational difference between rich and poor countries. Just understand that that's the crucial foundational difference, and if you make electricity hard to get, what's going to happen, or sorry, when there is, when there is electricity, GDP goes up when GDP goes up birth, sorry, survival rates of babies go goes up. But guess what? GDP goes up. Birth rates come down and every OCD country in the world has a reducing birth rate. In fact, Italy's birth rate is 1.2 children per adult woman. But to maintain a birth rate you need 2.1 children. Japan is in significant trouble because its population is going down, Chinas population is predicted to go down.

So this idea that the world is going to be overpopulated is a nonsensical idea. Electricity is crucial to all aspects of health and what I say and I've studied, I've, been involved in renewable energy since 1992, there is no climate emergency, but all of us can look after the planet better. And I hope this program inspires you to look after our planet better and it starts with you, your mental health, your physical health, and that's why I'm delighted to run this program and that's why I'm delighted to introduce the genius called Dr Rob Verkerk. And he is a genius and my good news is I've got him for the full 2 hours. But I've inveigled him because he's got so much crucial information he can share with us, and he is the founder and Executive director of the Alliance for Natural, the Alliance for Natural Health International, founded in the UK 20 years ago. Rob, welcome to the program at 5:00 AM in the morning in UK.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Charles, amazing to be on your program. I'm not sure we should use the genius word at this hour of the morning, but yeah, wonderful to be with you.

Charles Kovess

So tell us what I want to know, my editorial went on a bit, but I really want to set the scene because you are fighting the good fight for health and I'm a freedom warrior. I fight for health of people. I fight for my own health starting, but why did you set up the alliance for natural health.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Well, Charles it it's been a 40 year journey for me as well. I was working in Australia actually to support the development of biodynamic and organic farming in the 1980s, and getting pesticides out of the system, protecting rainforests and defending the rights of Aboriginal people. My first wife was actually a Torres Strait Island Aboriginal, so I was very connected in there. So yeah, I spent 12 years in Sydney and one of the things I was doing as well, it's a strange part of my life that has not disappeared,I was pretty concerned. I got very ill from pesticides being used around urban areas and as an ecologist, as a young ecologist, I thought and in fact I was minded to solve this problem by Aboriginal elders. They said, hey you, you've got to sort the white fellow problems out. They're killing our land with these chemicals. And so I spent 10 years really developing non chemical termite approaches. Ways of understanding that actually it was the building industry that had the problem. Termites are a really incredibly important part of the ecosystem. They are.

Charles Kovess

Wow, is that is that right? Like gosh, everybody, Please note, termites are an incredibly important part of the ecosystem.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Oh yeah.

Charles Kovess

Gosh, tell us why.

Rob Verkerk PhD

To this point, if you if you wiped out termites in all the warm parts of the world, the entire biosphere would collapse. I mean, they are soil engineers. You know in the north latitudes, we have wonderful earthworms that do an extraordinary job to mix soils and aerate soils, otherwise they’d all be compacted and rain water would not be able to move through them and plants wouldn't be able to absorb all the nutrients and the moisture so they're critical. They're also recycling all the carbon that has come back into the soil, so a tree falls over and the termites are critical because you have less of a roll of say, wet rock fungi that you have in the northern latitude. So yeah, critical. But of course we then go and build these cities. We come along to places like Australia and we take all the prime lands and we build all these cities and we import building techniques that came out of places like the United Kingdom that are not in any way adapted to say, the Australian environment or the southern US environment and cut a long story short, this work culminated us developing a whole range of non-chemical approaches changing, actually, what we could do to existing buildings using natural products to repel termites using physical barriers.

Charles Kovess

OK, so that's the is that the crucial so using natural products to repel termites so that we don't need to kill them and decimate them and to exterminate them.

Rob Verkerk PhD

In fact, Charles, when I arrived in Australia, what was happening you, you may remember chemicals like chlordane and Heptachlor. I was really amongst the key people that that help remove those from use because we were showing that when you make a single application of a compound like that it lasts about 30 years.

Charles Kovess

Welcome back to the Mind Medicine program. I'm Charles Kovess. Your host. My guest is Dr Rob Verkerk from the Alliance for Natural Health International. Rob is the founder and executive director and before the break, we were talking about termites. The termites are soil engineers and that applying compounds to soil to exterminate termites is a bad, bad thing. Rob, can you explain what these c ompounds do.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yeah, the difficulty, it's reminiscent you know if you look at what humans have done to termites when they develop technology, it's no different to the general approach that's used in medicine. You use a poison to poison something that you don't fully understand that is part of an ecological system. So you know there is a very close relationship between the fact that we created massive environmental problems when we have used intensive pesticides, be it on insects like termites, that we essentially have to learn to adapt to live with because our planet is dependent on their existence, or if we're gonna use very intensive pesticides on monocultures in agriculture, which was incidentally, my academic background that I spent many years with Imperial College Masters and PhD.

Charles Kovess

Don't mention that name. That's a shocking.

Rob Verkerk PhD

A little college somewhere and we were working in, you know, Eastern Southern Africa and Central Asia, Southeast Asia looking at some of the areas where the largest amount of pesticides were being used and how we could transition people to complex, dynamic, diverse ecosystems. So the solution is always how you can translate a way of living with the natural world that allows these complex interactions to actually give the system stability. So it's exactly the same in our health that we decide to eat one kind of food or we sit in one place for a long time, or we only know two people in the entire world. Our world is not very rich. Our body is not very dynamic. Our Mind, our soul, our connections are not dynamic. So if we can strive to be more like a rainforest where that complexity, if you want to fix a rainforest that's been destroyed in the Amazon, there is no magic spray that you can put into the rainforest to build this diversity again. In fact, if you look at the work that has been done on rainforest restoration it generally, Billy Smits in Southeast Asia has done some incredible work, microbiologist, and you will go and implant maybe 13/14 hundred different species of plant to kick off that diversity. So it's always. The diversity so I.

Charles Kovess

Nice everybody. That's a great idea, complexity creates,

Rob Verkerk PhD

stability

Charles Kovess

and simplicity creates

Rob Verkerk PhD

instability. Think of it just as a web of interactions. So when you have a web of interactions, it's like you have this really rich tapestry that starts to hold the system together. Where it is just held by a single piece of string it's not going to be very robust. So you're always looking, whether it's your life, whether you look at ways of becoming fulfilled from lots of different areas. If we have single focuses, if we eat limited amounts of food, if we only exercise in one particular way or in one particular plane, we don't do so well, so its diversity is really the spice of life

Charles Kovess

So coming to this question of the termites. Let's go big picture to this complexity because I say there's no climate emergency. But in Australia, and probably in the UK and certainly in America, we have soil emergency. I'm CEO of a hemp company. I'm secretary of the peak national body for hemp in Australia and I'm on the board of the Global Hemp Organisation. We have a soil emergency and Rob, can you give us an overview of what's happened to our soils and then how that impacts on our health. Because this complexity, it all flows through, doesn't it? If you put chemicals into the soil, then the food we're eating is nowhere near as what it could be.

Rob Verkerk PhD

The way in which the system, if we can use that term, likes us to think so we can be heard in a in a particular direction, is they define an incorrect problem, so we can be herded in the direction of the solution that they have ready for us. The climate emergency. This is confusing. It can create a degree of cognitive dissonance in people. If you start to believe that the story around the climate emergency is incorrect, you could start to believe that there isn't an environmental problem. So yes, a lovely description. Beautiful, beautiful distinction. I'm an ecologist from original training. I have spent 40 years looking at natural systems and the way humans interact with them, and we absolutely have a huge environmental problem. But the climate part of it is a massive distortion of the real problem. We have very real issues with soil degradation, we have real issues with habitat destruction. As a result, we have this free fall in biodiversity. If you look recently, what's happened with COP 26 in Egypt versus COP 15 in Montreal, so COP 15, barely a person who's not looking at environmental issues all the time, knew it even happened. But of course, it was the cop on biodiversity and they were trying to come to some kind of solution. Let me tell you, within all of that discussion, they never bring up some of the things that those of us who are looking from a sort of multidisciplinary perspective of what might be going on, they never raise the issue of human created frequencies. So as we move to this Internet of Things age in which we, are using a very wide range of digital technologies for communication that are emitting digital signals that are entirely new to nature, we've got this additional layer of problems that is layered on top of the chemical pollution problem, which incidentally is still a very significant problem. Most of us are exposed to around about 20 to 30,000 industrial chemicals every day through the water, the food, the air that we breathe. But hey, we're going to be focusing on this problem with carbon dioxide that that every single plant uses and this is, I think, the job for people like you and I that we have to take people to a place of logical constructs that make sense so that we can deal with this mass formation. You know, Mathias Desmat has got the concept of mass formation out there during COVID.

Charles Kovess

I love it. I love it. I've been a professional speaker for 20 years, sorry for 30 years, Rob. Mass formation works, people, literally, take on a belief and so I've got this idea, so I love it. I'm a big fan of what he said.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yeah, I mean it makes you entirely blind to everything that goes against what the group believes in. And so the group believes in the fact that there's a climate emergency, there's a CO2 problem and then you couldn't deny looking at everything else. And of course, why that suits them is, obviously because the future is all about an industry that is built on that, so carbon credits, carbon futures, everything built around carbon, and then you can ignore what's happening with rainforest deforestation, soil degradation, pollution, etc. Looking at covid, for example you can see exactly the same thing you saw. They present us with a virus. And then the solution is a vaccine, so everyone gets herded towards the vaccine and that is meant to be the solution. We now look at society decimated because they have effectively been victims of mass formation. They're willing to sacrifice their own individual interest, even sometimes knowing, even seeing friends and family going down after they have the third or their 4th booster, and still saying I need to sacrifice myself for the collective, so they just become completely shut down to dissonant voices. This is the mechanism out there that dismisses anyone who comes up as a dissonant, as someone who's a conspiracy theorist or an anti-vaccine worked very well.

Charles Kovess

Or a denier, a denier of truth, a denier of science.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Exactly so, then they are inspired with this, this calling this ethical duty. To basically stop people who go against the flow you know if you ever saw that film Midnight Express when the John Hurt character decided to go against the flow, that's when everything changed and that's what we all have to do. That is the secret. If you go in the direction of the mass formation, life ain't going to be that great. The beautiful thing that's happening is so many people are now waking up and starting to stitch that the covid thing it's almost backfired. Because it has caused people to wake up and then now they're looking, wow, the climate thing they've sold us up the swanney on that one as well.

Charles Kovess

Yes, that is an absolute mess formation. If you don't stop CO2, we're all doomed. So that it doesn't matter what the cost of it, we have to stop it. It's a nonsense and we know that it's a nonsense. Now come to this question of health and I shared my definition of health. I'm very keen to understand your definition of health for a human. And then I want to compare healthy man, healthy woman to a healthy soil.

What would you call as someone who's healthy. What's your definition?

Rob Verkerk PhD

I loved your definition the element that I would throw in there when we talk about health is ‘What are we actually?’ What level are we talking about and how do we define when we have what you call balance? I raised this idea of bringing complexity into the system. So you have this web of complexity that provides if you like a scaffolding system of interconnected feedback systems that hold everything in balance. But when do you know you've got there? This is where this concept of resilience and of course there has been a huge amount of work that came initially out of the field of psychology but now has been applied to health generally, and of course, is applied to community systems, social systems as well. But resilience in essence is this ability to bounce back quickly and restore balance after a stressor. So whether it's in your life and in health, whether it's a physical stress and that physical stressor can be exposure to a pesticide, it can be to do with overtraining. It can be that you've had a hell of a bad day at work. It can be a relationship breakdown as soon as you're able to restore balance if you can. But another concept that was raised decades ago by Hans Selye, US psychologist, was this this idea of adaptive capacity. So if you imagine your adaptive capacity as a continuum from left to right. Say put your hands out there and you say right, I want to have an adaptive capacity. That's, you know, a meter wide. Then what tends to happen, you can operate within that. You can live a very intense, full, complete life, but you've still got fuel in the tank to handle some stress. If you're living right at the limits of your adaptive range, that becomes tough. You're bouncing up at the periphery of that range and something that you might be able to handle in your life suddenly becomes this huge issue, and you lose. You become unbalanced because you don't have sufficient rest.

Charles Kovess

That's nice. And as you're saying that resilience, the picture I have in my mind that I've often shared and I've been wanting to, do you remember those blow up toys, inflatable toys?

Rob Verkerk PhD

You better you better sort this one out quickly Charles, let's have some more detail before we lose our way.

Charles Kovess

Just a big toy that's got sand at the bottom. It's weighted at the bottom and you push it over and it bounces back. And you punch, no matter how many times you punch it, it bounces back. That's my picture of resilience. This question of if you are stiff, if you are stiff and dry, you will crack. If you are malleable and in good shape, you will go with the punches. We will continue this conversation on health because I want to talk about healthy humans, healthy soil. And then we're gonna talk about vibrational frequencies But I first I wanna go into the complexity of the human body. I'm Charles Kovess. This is the Mind Medicine program. I'm with Dr Rob Verkerk from the Alliance for Natural Health International, and we'll be back after these messages.

Charles Kovess

Welcome back to the Mind Medicine program. We mandate that the truth be told well certainly the truth from my perspective, you won't get BS from me. I won't speak political correctness. I'm Charles Kovess and my guest for the whole show. Two parts of it is Dr Rob Verkerk. Rob, we're talking about health and resilience and adaptive capacity. So you've shared some thoughts on health, how complicated is the human body? And sorry, first of all, we'll come back to complexity and vibration in a moment. But I want to talk about healthy soils and I'm thinking healthy body. What's your perspective as an ecologist on healthy soils, what is a healthy soil then?

Rob Verkerk PhD

It's a bit like resilience. How do you define a healthy soil? Well, a healthy soil has to be a living soil. So as soon as you create…

Charles Kovess

Yeah, that's a that's a good point, isn't it?

Rob Verkerk PhD

that marker, yeah.

Charles Kovess

You're not very healthy if you're dead.

Rob Verkerk PhD

So you can have a soil that has and we come back to this wonderful thing called carbon. But obviously we can check the organic content of the soil, but if there was a rainforest, so if you look at the peat soils, for example, on which huge ancient forests once existed that were then removed by humans, you know they are healthy soils, but they ain't going to be. Then they're not living soils because that carbon got there and it's not being replaced anymore because the forest is now gone, which is why it is no longer viewed as environmentally sustainable to be using peat to grow your pot plants. A living soil is one where you have again a great diversity of microorganisms within it. So you have to have not only a rich range of microorganisms. You should also have a micro formula in it, so in essence, in order to do that the combination of nutrients, the aeration qualities, the water retention properties need to be pretty much spot on, which is why we have an excessively compacted soil. If we use, when we look at chemicals.

Charles Kovess

What do these? What do chemicals? What do glyph look for? Example round up life to say what you spread that on soil. What does that do to all these microorganisms?

Rob Verkerk PhD

The problem we had with viewing the safety of pesticides is that we would take them into labs and the agrochemical companies were forced to do a limited amount of testing looking at, for example, honeybee toxicity or aquatic toxicity. What was ignored was the impact on microorganisms. So actually if you look at the effects of glyphosate, we campaigned in the 1980s in Australia on glyphosate because we established very, very early that there was a big fat lie being told about it. It was being sold even back then as this incredible biodegradable herbicide and it's broad spectrum. It was pushed like hell held by Monsanto and it became the number one herbicide in the world. The problem is if you look at its activity when soil. microbes are not present it persists and we were able to establish that if you just looked at, we were doing work with Sydney University. If you take, you know a piece of rock that is close to a field that is being sprayed and we would collect bits of soil and stone and other things to have it analysed, 120 days later the glyphosate was still there. So then if you start adding the combination of herbicides and fungicides as well as insecticides that have been applied to most agricultural soils over the last 30-40 fifty years. What we've done is decimate the microorganism populations. So we've now got a double whammy effect of the fact that compounds like glyphosate are now not breaking down because we wiped out the one thing that could break them down. They can only do it for a certain period because it's also toxic to them. And, of course, it's not just used as a pre-emergent herbicide. It's used as a desiccant as well at the end of harvest. As soon as we started using it as a desiccant, it big time started entering the food chain, and then humans started eating it. So we now have a ubiquitous compound, so glyphosate as metabolites. The there's no doubt that is a big problem.

Charles Kovess

That's a beautiful description there, Rob. I want people to get a perspective of how complex the human body is and how complex soil is. Because every time I, particularly in my health work, sorry, my hemp work and then as an organic farmer since 1976, that's 47 years we've had our organic farm, no chemicals that we put on it, although who knows what's come from the bloody air. But when I talked to Dr Mary Cole, a wonderful soil microbiologist here in Melbourne who's on the Committee of the Hemp Alliance with me, it sounds to me like soil and its structure is as complicated as the human body.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Without a doubt. I'm always looking for parallels. If you if you look at how the soil fits with the human body, there's no doubt that that we gotta look at our gut. The human gut is the equivalent of the soil. And we see if you look back at all the great traditions in healthcare, we know that the written tradition say in Ayurveda goes back around about 4000 years, even in traditional Chinese medicine it goes back that far, you'll see that all these great traditions put resoving problems with the gastrointestinal tract right at the forefront and just as we've known now for 50 years or so that a complex range of microorganisms and it's, it's not just the bacteria, the fungi are probably the most extraordinary part of the soil, and we also tend to deny we think of fungi in human beings as s nasty things, and of course, they also can play an incredibly important role. But the fungi within the living soil becomes the interconnected system. The microrhizi that allow the plants to communicate. So within an ecosystem. We create a diverse ecosystem as you are doing in your organic farm. Those plants are all in communication with each other. So if a thread is coming in from one side of the farm, you will have a network of communication that already starts triggering plants on the other side of the field to start increasing the amount of secondary compounds so they can with  the threat whether it's an insect pest or a fungi or whatever. So the system is completely in balance. If you didn't have any of those bugs around that that trigger a response to the plant, the plant wouldn't be resilient.

Charles Kovess

That's right. The plant wouldn't be resilient. It hasn't got the resources just like we as humans wouldn't be resilient.

Rob Verkerk PhD

If you look at a piece of fruit for example, there's been some wonderful work done on berry fruits that if you look at a fruit that has always been sprayed with a fungicide. It doesn't develop salvestrols, these complex compounds that develop just under the skin. So when a fungal spore lands on the outside of that food, the hypha will start penetrating the cuticle and in an untreated organic fruit, let's call it an apple, that that fungi won't take over. Where it's sprayed. The salvestrols don't develop in the same way, and in fact they barely develop at all. So you start living on what we call the pesticide treadmill. You haven't built resilience and what's fascinating is those salvestrols when we consume them, this is some of the work that really caused me to leap out of my agricultural research 20 odd years ago. When I would talk to the oncologists at Imperial College saying, hey, you know, we're doing this really interesting work on glucosinolates and we're finding all these plant compounds that are causing cruciferous vegetables to develop natural immunity and you don't need pesticides when you use them. But what's really interesting, some of these compounds like glucosinolate indole 3 carbinol seem to be really important in cancer. In fact I've been doing some research and I can see that there's lots of work to show that they have anti-cancer properties. Have you been doing any research on them? And these guys would look at you as if you've got 2 heads. What are you talking about? We use chemotherapy, radiotherapy and surgery.

Charles Kovess

So we kill them like termites.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Thing it's exactly the same wheel that's being spun all the time. And as soon as we're able to start connecting these dots and see wow if we can build complexity, if we can understand how we're pushed down a particular Teflon coated route into some solution that they have at our at their fingertips. And of course, that's what's happening now. But the difficulty is that while all this is happening, coming back to your intro, you made some really interesting comments about population and of course you're absolutely right. When we're told that the planet is going to be crushed by 11 billion by 2050, you know we're being given deliberately a very small part of the overall picture. Yes, much of the industrialised world is either in zero or negative population growth, so ain't happening in any town. Yeah, most of the people are gonna be listening to TNT today. But where it is happening is in sub-Saharan Africa and in southern Asia and it's what's happening in parts of South America. So we have to be very clear about where the population is growing and of course there can be ulterior motives you see if you look at the desire that they had to push covid vaccines on the sub-saharan African population. It rang very, very loud alarm bells with many of us. I I was actually born in East Africa.

Charles Kovess

Wow, where have you not lived? You haven't lived in Hungary.

Rob Verkerk PhD

No, I haven't lived in Hungary, but I grew up in West Africa as well, and I've worked extensively in Eastern and Southern Africa and I have a real connection with African people. And you know what was so interesting is they got this one in a millisecond as soon as they were having these vaccines pushed on them, they said, hold on. We might have problems with malaria. We might have problems with TB, but one thing we don't have is a covid problem. Why the hell are you so desperate to get these things into our arms and of course, from the perspective of many Africans they've seen some really, really big negative impacts of the colonial process where their indigenous systems of community-based systems of sustainable farming were turned upside down so they could become cash croppers producing coffee, tea, cocoa.

Charles Kovess

And that's what happened to Indian cotton farmers. Monsanto came along gave them the glyphosate and Chinese cotton farmers as well. But India, the most recent numbers I heard was 45,000 Indian cotton farmers had committed suicide over the course of a year because their whole ecosystem had been destroyed. So coming back to the African farmers.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Exactly. We have huge problems there. The world is waking up. If African people, if the populations become very significant, and when you look at the fact that Africa contains still a huge amount of the world's resources that are required, including many of the rare metals that are required for wait for it, for batteries that are very much part of the EV. It's the cobalt and Palladium and everything else.

Charles Kovess

Lithium. Lithium. Cobalt. Yeah.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yeah. So the desire to control Africa as much of the Western countries have done through colonial systems that then started falling apart in the 1960s.

Charles Kovess

So let's take that African situation. We've got 2 minutes before the news break so we'll be back after the news. Everybody, we've got another hour to go. We've got so many questions. In fact, I could talk to Rob for four hours, everybody because we got so much stuff on our agenda, including vibrational frequencies. We're gonna unpack that and how that applies, but this question of hunger in Africa and the fact that on average, 100 million African women walk for six hours a day to get water and firewood for the evening meal. Now, if we got electricity in standalone solar/hydro/wind/geothermal. If we got electricity to each village in Africa. The change to Africa would be extraordinary and what happens to these women is they're walking for six hours Rob while the blokes are sitting on their tushes they then get raped and they don't have electricity and the kids can't study at night. And so I have this vision. Tthis where renewable energy becomes a brilliant solution and in Africa. You know, as their GDP goes up, their birth rate will come down as well, because without electricity, it's children who are your labour force.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Look, a hundred 100% the problems that have been caused by the industrialised world colonising and decimating existing systems are the very problems that create water shortage and poverty in Africa, and that's the way the industrialised countries like it.

Charles Kovess

OK, I love you. I love you. Gotta go to the news. But everybody come back. We're gonna be talking about sexual intercourse and the impact on your health into around here. We're gonna be talking about vibrational frequencies. We're going to be talking about so many other important elements that will help you live the life of your dreams. You're on TNT radio. I'm Charles Kovess. This is the Mind Medicine program, and we will be back after the news.

Part 2

Charles Kovess

Welcome back to the second part of the program. I'm Charles Kovess, your host of the Mind Medicine program. I'm Australasia's passion provocateur and we help you understand new insights into your mind. Unusually, I've got my guest continuing from the first hour. So if you're listening to a recording of this, go back and listen to the first half. Although the second-half alone will also be worthwhile. I'm with Dr Rob Verkerk from the from the Alliance for Natural Health International. I will come back to him in a moment.

This show is brought to you in association with Mind Medicine Australia, who have worked for four years and have succeeded in getting psilocybin and MDMA legalised in Australia. This is such great news for all those with mental health problems or a whole range of mental health problems. And these two psychedelic drugs are wonderful, wonderful resources. I won't go into that background. You can listen to that intro at the start of the program but Mind Medicine in Australia, full congratulations to it for this hard work for four years. And getting this beautiful outcome as a passion provocateur, I know if you're pursuing your passion, your mental health will be better. Because passion comes from your soul. Passion is a source of unlimited energy, and when you're coming from your whole you are not dominated by fear and guess where love comes from. It comes from your soul as well. So on the spectrum of the two emotions that drive us as human beings, it's love on the one hand, and I say to people, what's the opposite? Well, they say hate. No Fear is the opposite of love. So in the spectrum in your life I urge you to think about the extent to which you make decisions based on love or on fear. My promise to you is if you are passionate, you will tend towards the love end of the spectrum, not the fear end of the spectrum. Another way to look at this is love expands you, fear contracts you. Fear shrivels you up, you come to Mind Medicine program. This is designed to inspire you for the next week. To live from a space of passion, of love, of commitment, of loving what you do, and you will be in  a wonderful mental space now a couple of other things I wanna bring to your attention before we get back to Rob Verkerk. Is the sudden death epidemic that's happening suddenitis. It's a remarkable problem and I urge you to speak up because I say to you that almost all of these sudden deaths are jab caused, jab related. I’m helping a lady called Kerry, whose husband Glenn died just two weeks ago, 57 fit healthy went to hospital with a respiratory problem. They gave him Remdesivir and medazalom I say a hospital in Brisbane probably was very close to murder, certainly negligent homicide, and I'm urging Kerry and anybody who questions the way their loved ones ended up dying, I urge you to have an autopsy. I urge you to take action. Do not take this literally lying down because this particular hospital, in the case of Kerry, I had a professor of integrative health, a global expert on how to treat this particular patient, and the doctors were not interested and it's literally premeditated, it's negligent homicide at best. So this is what's happening people and I urge you also to appoint a medical attorney. A medical power of attorney. Never let a loved one go into hospital anywhere in the world without appointing an attorney. In Australia most people are shocked to find out that if your spouse is in hospital, the hospital does not have to pay attention to what you say unless you have a power of attorney. It doesn't matter that you're the spouse. It's outrageous. The other piece of the other piece of news I want to share with you is an organisation called myplaceaustralia.org. It’s pushing back against the nonsense of 15-minute cities. Rob Verkerk will have seen about the nonsense of 15-minute cities in Oxfordshire in his country. This whole nonsense that we're gonna be limited to not going further than 15 minutes walking distance from our home, except for 100 times a year. I say get stuffed! I say this is a United Nations nonsensical SDG goal. Part of the 17 SDG's, the Sustainable Development Goals push back against this 15-minute city madness and myplaceaustralia.org is doing great work in creating communities. Lastly, on this whole question, I say. Eat meat. Eat beef, not bugs. Bugs will do you great harm and to have this idea that we should get rid of all cattle because there's a climate emergency and we should all be eating insects and bugs. I reject this nonsense, so please speak your truth. You're listening to TNT radio. It's today's news talk. But it's truth news talk. This is the place of truth. I'm sharing my truth. I urge you to share your truth and my guest now for the next hour is Rob Verkerk. From the Alliance for Natural Health International, he speaks his truth. He has been fighting against the chemical, industrial or medical complex for 40 years. Rob, welcome back. Welcome back to the second-half and delighted to have you here

Rob Verkerk PhD

Thank you. It's great to be with you.

Charles Kovess

You have fought the good fight, haven't you? Against the complex against the system?

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yes, it's been nonstop. I had a sense when I was about 18, this is what I needed to do.

Charles Kovess

You're lagging. You're lagging a little bit, Rob. So there's another issue that I wanted to raise while we're waiting for the tech, the folks to solve all our problems and that is the law. I'm a freedom warrior. In my work for the last 60 years, I have focused on passion. You've heard, but also on comedy on chairman. I’m of the Australian Institute of Comedy, I was a lawyer. Comedians need the ability to be free with their comedy. Free to speak. You see, if you start limiting comedians and their speeches and say, oh, this is politically incorrect to be having jokes like that. It's the beginning of the end of freedom that was the Communist strategy, and comedians are the leading-edge thinkers and so I want you to, in your own mind think what do you say when a comedian goes to the edge.

Then there's passion, there's comedy. So then through the law I fought for freedom because as a lawyer. I protected my clients against rapacious government overreach. And then with hemp, I'm CEO of an industrial hemp company and hemp is an extraordinary crop that that I see builds one of the great bulwarks for human humanity's freedom, and that's this. Successful, profitable family farms, successful profitable family farms. Stop governments from having total control. Because just imagine if all farming was corporatised and we're all living in the city. So hemp one the reason why I'm passionate about hemp is because it preserves. It preserves freedom and lastly health, and with Rob Verkerk, we're talking about health. So, health, you see if you're in a hospital and you can't get out, you're not free. But if you're healthy and in the first half, we're talking about resilience and adaptive capacity, then you are free. Rob, would you agree the healthier you are, the freer you are.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Health is the biggest asset that we have. It's kind of the starting point and we don't have it. I mean it's one of the things that has really happened over the last three years. We have this virus that emerges and what has happened resilience has gone through the florr. One of the reasons, and I know we'll talk more about it in a minute is going to be looking at frequencies. But literally people’s frequency, their resonance has dropped and we started to see the pattern on some highly sensitive frequency medicine devices that the people who ae working with them were saying we can actually see the fingerprint of those who've been vaccinated because their resonances are through the floor. We've known for years and years that with serious medical conditions where they have a whole range of symptoms, even cancer, their resonance is much lower. Essentially, when you have gone out there and vaccinated, say, 90% of the adult population or more in some countries, what you're doing is actually lowering the frequency of the entire population. So we've got to understand that this energetic control is another mechanism that's layered on top of the psychological control, that’s actually all part of the mass formation system of which they're trying to get us to behave in particular ways. So you raised the idea of 15-minute cities that is again part of this control agenda, but it's a complicated process. They're hitting us from lots of angles. And so the job is to really understand the areas where they are controlling us. Very often unwittingly, and to take back that power and take back control and the very first thing we need to do is really get our health together and on top of that, there's that there's a very long list some of which are things that we might be talking about in a minute or two.

Charles Kovess

Right now we're talking about population and we're gonna run out of time. I can see this. We need to talk about vibrational frequencies and I need to let you in on a secret, Rob. Because for 20 years I have had an investment interest in the technology that relies on the resonant frequencies. Every living organism, and indeed every bacterium, every virus has a resonant frequency. So I'm delighted to have you on the show. You've written 2 masterful articles that are available on the website of the Alliance for Natural Health International. Tell us about them broadly and then we'll dig down into this whole question of vibrational frequency and resonance.

 

>>> Frequencies (Part 1) – unearthing the mysteries of life

>>> Frequency Medicine (Part 2) - Devices: Wacky or Worthy?

 

Rob Verkerk PhD

Charles, it's fantastic to know you've been involved with this area for a long time. The reality is that we are beginning, even in the mainstream field of science, to change our view on what life is and it seems to be now very, very clear is the natural electromagnetic biofield, this grid of electrical magnetic energy that comes together in the form of electromagnetism that’s actually much more of an accurate representation of life than just the physical body that we see. The physiology, the organ of the tissues that we see and that effectively pre-dates the biological system.

Charles Kovess

In your article in your article you’re talking about Newtonian biological so that electromagnetic the non physical, so by when you use the word biological I got a little bit confused in the two masterful articles. They're wonderful, wonderful articles, but just unpack that word. The use of the word biological. How you're using it compared to vibrational.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Biological you are literally talking about the existence of an organism from a genetic, molecular, cellular level.

Charles Kovess

Got you. OK, great. Yep, got it.

Rob Verkerk PhD

So biology as yet does not introduce the concept of electromagnetism and looking at the biofield for example. And yet, if you look at the area of biophysics, which is a now very much a growing discipline that was kicked off in the early part of the 20th century. There's absolutely no doubt that this biofield exists. It can be measured, obviously for centuries we've known that some people can see it They can see the aura around people and other organisms and. They see how it changes. The difficulty is that the fields that are emitted by living beings are very weak, so it's taken a long time to develop instrumentation that’s sensitive enough to measure it. Of course, you know the work of Fritz Albert Popp in the 70s and onwards. He now sadly passed. He’s really picked up some of the earlier work done in Russia in the 1920s on photons that have been subsequently named Biophotons, so this is electromagnetic energy that is released within the 200 to 800 nanometer visible light spectrum that is issued from every living being. So every living being is literally a being of light. The light is at a very low level. But we again in this sort of Newtonian world where mechanical and biological systems have dominated our thinking, we always think the more the power, the more important it is. We actually see energetic systems as often something that is the exact opposite and what we see is a degree of coherence that happens within these weak magnetic fields. It doesn't happen when the energy is very high. One of the ways of looking at this is to imagine a fire. The fire produces a lot of energy. That energy is very chaotic,. That’s why it burns down buildings. The energy that is issued from a loving human being, or someone who engages in hands on healing or does Reiki, it's incredibly weak, but it's very coherent, which is why people get healed from it. And of course, for centuries we've known it's not just the human being and other living things and nature that can heal. Of course we understand now the vital importance of doing all that. We also know that there are things outside of our bodies that can heal, so one of the best examples here is looking at the Passion we've had for crystals and for jewellery and wearing these items that allow magnetic fields to become more coherent.

Charles Kovess

Rob, just hold. Hold that thought. I love that idea of crystals and Kirlian photography. We're gonna go to a break and I'm interested in after the break talking about what insights that you discovered. There's a percentage, I think of 61%, that you talked about. So we'll come back to that after this short break. You're on TNT radio and the Mind medicine program. I'm Charles Kovess. I've got Rob Verkerk here from the UK. We'll be back shortly.

Charles Kovess

Welcome back to the Mind Medicine program in association with Mind Medicine Australia, a wonderful Australian charity promoting the use of amazing psychedelic drugs, particularly psilocybin and MDMA. I'm Charles Kovess. My guest is Dr Rob Verkerk. We were talking before the break about his articles on vibrational frequencies. We were talking about crystals and external influences of energetics on our bodies. Rob, I was gonna ask you what surprising insights you got from writing these wonderful articles.

Rob Verkerk PhD

I guess one of the big insights was actually collecting a lot of data from the people who are making frequency medicine machine now. So we move from human beings, the tool maker extraordinaire. We went from crystals and said right how can we used technology now? There are now a huge array of different machines working in the electromagnetic magnetic electrical spectrum. A large number of them have ended up, about 65% of all the different categories of device, we built a big taxonomy of devices, being used within mainstream medical settings. But of course, for most people that is just in the realms of dealing with musculoskeletal issues that physiotherapists are dealing with. There are some being used in in neurological areas, some in dermatological areas, but the things that are being used for whole body healing to really bring the body into resonance. The stuff that makes a dramatic difference to people's lives that interferes with the work that the pharmaceutical industry are doing to give us a pill for an ill, all of that has been pushed very, very much, underground and as a result of it, the transparency of the information that we're able to get from the companies is pretty limited. And one of the reasons that I think that needs to change is because we all need to have transparency on the frequency device that's issuing frequency. It’s just as we need to know whether our computer or our cellphone are emitting frequencies. We also need to know what kind of frequencies because we're living in a world where more and more disruptive frequencies are being used through digital communication systems.

Charles Kovess

So Rob, I often thought about this, I think the Marconi invented the radio in about 1880. I was thinking, what would the what would be the EMF, the electromagnetic frequencies hitting a human being in 1880 compared to now from all, we'll come back to the healing quality of this, but gosh, the lives that we're now living. What's your sense of how many EMFs are hitting us.

Rob Verkerk PhD

it's an extraordinary problem. In fact, I do think it's very closely related to the free fall in biodiversity that we're seeing in the in insect and bird populations in particular and any of the organisms that are using electromagnetism for rientation and birds and insects do that all the time. Using again the weak magnetic fields that we can, say, measure through Schumann resonances. If we're then throwing a whole bunch of digital frequencies on top of that, and let's bear in mind the way digital frequency that hasn't been converted back to analog, it's completely alien. It’s no different to spraying chemicals and in fact that this is why when we try and help people to understand the issues, that, that are going on it's about connecting the dots. So just as we are dealing with a world that's suffering chemical overload, we're now dealing with a world that is dealing with frequency overload, and it's not that frequencies are bad, frequencies can heal, but if they're the wrong frequencies and they are producing a digital electromagnetic waveform is a jagged step like waveform. It's not a beautiful sine waveform, so humans have not been exposed to those digital frequency patterns before at all. And then as each year progresses, we get more and more devices, people are exposed to ever more from satellite sources and obviously the Internet of Things that is being planned for us is a world in which frequencies and the risk from these EMF sources has not really been factored in, which is why the minute the people said 5G is a problem. You saw that even before you know the Covidians, those of us who knew that the whole COVID narrative was a lie. But anyone talking about 5G, and in particular people that put 5G covid together were shut down quicker than anyone else.

Charles Kovess

And my understanding is there's been no credible research test safety testing done on the whole 5G rollout.

Rob Verkerk PhD

No, It's quite extraordinary they are obsessed with looking. If you look at ICNIRP, the organisation that controls the amount of these frequencies that we can be exposed to. All of them are based on thermal effects and not non-thermal effects. And we know that it's the non-thermal effects that do the damage. So you put your cellphone up against your ear you find that your head gets warmed, so that's what they're worried about.

Charles Kovess

I agree. It gets warmed and it's annoying and it starts to hurt.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yes, but it's the damage that's going on beneath the surface that's not related to that thermal energy. That really is the problem. So what I would advocate is it's now pretty useful to spend a relatively modest sum on an EMF meter of some sort. I use a TriField TF2 because it measures magnetic fields, electrical fields and radio frequency fields.

Charles Kovess

So how so? How do I spell that? Trifield.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Trifield. It's been around for a long time. They've done an update to the interface now so it's really easy to use. It's also one of the most sensitive meters, so in terms of bang for your buck, you get it's US made and of course what they what it allows you to do is go around your home. A lot of people concerned, yes, about radio frequency sources that might be your router, if you're using a landline actually the base station that your landline sits in can be one of the biggest RF sources in your home. You can have an alarm clock sitting by your bed. That may be a major source but you can also have a wire that's hidden in plaster in the wall behind your bed, and your bed can perhaps have metal springs in it, or be on a metal frame that is acting as an antenna to these radio frequency fields. So you've got to look at the magnetic, electrical, and RF fields and a device like this really helps you to do it, and often what it will mean is that you just need to move stuff around. So the places that you spend a lot of time, where you sleep at night, perhaps where you sit, where you eat, and obviously in your workplace as well you can make changes there. You can turn off certain devices. You can move furniture around if there's a wire, right by your bed. You might need to move a bed for example, but any effort that we can take to reduce our exposure to some of these new to nature, I think that that's the easiest way of looking at them. These are new to nature electromagnetic fields, just as new to nature chemicals. Whether we put them in our bodies, in the form of pharmaceuticals, whether we consume them in our food or breathe them in the air or consume them in our water. It's the new to nature stuff that tends to muck up our system, so anything we can do to reduce those levels. Is going to be helpful.

Charles Kovess

That that is helpful new to nature, everybody. I've, taken a note of that new to nature EMF's we're being bombarded.  Now in your excellent articles, two of them on the website of the Alliance for Natural Health International you talk about the criticism of the existing medical system around this question of vibrational frequencies as being woo woo. I wanna give you a piece of data and you would be aware in Australia there is the NHMRC, the National Health and Medical Research Council in Australia and it spends $900 million on research on medical. OK, sounds good, doesn't it Rob? 900 million bucks a year. Now guess how much of that gets spent on vibrational frequencies, on Reiki, on kinesiology, on all these vibrational frequency modalities that you're talking about, guess how much gets spent on that. None, nothing. And then the medical profession has the goal, as you rightly observe in your articles, that, oh, there's no research being done on Reiki. Of course, because the doctors are taking all the $900 million a year, $9 billion / 10 years. And then criticizing these other wonderful modalities with the complexity of the human body and not giving any money for that research and then criticising them for not having done the research.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Well, one of the fascinating things when you put out the kind of articles that we do write and disseminate is that we've been contacted by one of the very long standing Australian companies that that are involved in the UK as well. And a few years back in 2015, there was a meeting that the TGA had and three people from the frequency field were at that meeting and all three of them got poisoned. And one of them proceeded to die. Now that information was just passed to me last week, and I'll be having a call with this lady. I won't mention her name at this stage, but you know, behind the scenes, this is the kind of thing that has been going on. Frequency medicine is one of the most threatening. If you look back at the history with the FDA they've tried to shut it down several times, so if you look at Royal Raymond rife for example, or Albert Abrams.

Charles Kovess

I was about to go to Royal Rife. That's a shocking story. The solution to cancer that he appears to have discovered. Tell us that.

Rob Verkerk PhD

The guy the guy was a real genius. If you, look at what his contributions are and in fact those contributions are now just about recognised. He developed a microscope that would deliver a magnification in excess of 17,000 times. So it was his work in looking at microorganisms and realising that microorganisms were related to cancer, that caused him to then look at how he might be able to address viruses and bacteria and other microorganisms that were associated with cancer and as a result of that, he discovered that he could deliver very specific frequencies that, essentially, are biocidal to these particular pathogens and as a result of that the Rife machines and you'll see that there are devices out today, some of them use exactly the same frequencies tending to be called true Rife machines and others, that use similar frequencies, just Rife machines. They have this extraordinary history. Now they're they are emerging. But of course it’s impossible for them to get medical device licences. You know the FDA won't grant them, so they have to be sold as wellbeing devices. And of course anyone that sells them has to be incredibly careful about any claims that they make about their use, so you're kind of dealing in the netherworld and there is no way that any regulator that generally is only supportive of the key paymaster of the pharmaceutical industry, that provides them a lot of money for the licensing system, so that's the revolving door that just continues, so frequency medicine is absolutely shunned.

Charles Kovess

Well, Royal Rife was hounded out of the health profession, and I thought he was sort killed along the journey from that but he was indeed a genius and that's what I read about him.

Rob Verkerk PhD

He died poor. All of the great inventors, even Nikola Tesla died a pauper. As soon as they started to put, you'll see it with many people, Einstein himself, Linus Pauling, who is obviously famous for his work on vitamin C plus 2 Nobel Prizes. As soon as these people start to use their life’s learning and all that wisdom that is being achieved in a manner that threatens major industrial complexes, they get castrated by the system and as a result, so many of these people have ended their lives in in great trouble not being recognised. Really by society and then only a part of society many, many years later.

Charles Kovess

Well, it's a horrible story and I bring your attention to it. It's the risk of speaking the truth. But you're on truth radio. I'm with Rob Cerkerk. I'm Charles Kovess. This is the Mind Medicine program. We're coming back for the last portion. I'm so frustrated. I've got a whole list of questions for Rob. We've only got bloody 19 minutes to go. But we'll be back after these few messages from TNT Radio.

Charles Kovess

Welcome back to the last part of the Mind Medicine program. I'm Charles Kovess, your host, and I'm with Dr Rob Verkerk, the founder of the Alliance for Natural Health International in the UK. He's had 40 years experience in ecology, biology, health and is just a wonderful, wonderful warrior for health. Now, Rob, you wrote these two great articles on vibrational frequencies. What are the benefits for people? I really urge people to read the full articles, they're quite long. But I really think that you would explain better why people should read this, because you beautifully articulate all of the possible benefits of understanding vibrational frequencies.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Once we recognise that we have this essentially electromagnetic matrix and when we look at the human body, we've learned for example, for years and years that actually the heart is the most powerful electrical organ. We've been measuring that with ECG systems or if you're involved in sports, you wear a When we start looking at the biofield, we realise that very close to our physical heart is of course the heart center, the chakra. So in essence some of these ideas that have been, from a mainstream medicine point of view this is pretty woo woo, the chi that Chinese medicine talks about the energy that runs through, courses through our body through the system of meridians or the prana that's talked about in Ayurveda. Well, guess what, these systems actually exist and we can measure them. And in essence, what we what we really are beginning to understand even from a modern science perspective is that these energy systems fundamentally control the biochemical systems that that we've been obsessed about for the last 100 years or so. What I'd like to do is draw people to really specific, proven examples so that they can really start to feel this change in what we are and who we are. Something as fundamental as DNA. How many people have learned that not only does the DNA produce light so that the light within the visible light spectrum is being released from every single DNA molecule, but the attraction that we see in the four letter alphabet, the CTGA nitrogenous base components that make it up? That attraction now has been proven to only occur through electromagnetic attraction. So, because we have the CT and the GA pair up together, there was, within 2009, a very careful controlled experiment was done to take out any other influences. And of course it traveled around the scientific press and the popular press saying, you know. We've discovered that DNA has these telepathic powers. These are not telepathic powers. They're energetic powers, bio-energetic powers, and this is part of the matrix that that underlies this grid that effectively sits over the whole human body. If we want to. Have a high level of resilience and health that we talked about in the first part of the program. We not only need to look after the physical system that we can see, but we have to look after this biofield and this biofield the things that make it healthy. This is where this concept of soul that's exists and existed in any spiritual tradition or even a religious tradition, dare I say it. Which is essentially the human construct of that spiritual understanding and spiritual understanding is about understanding the way energy flows, and it also understands that energy and it understands that energy just exist in the Newtonian sense. It exists in a quantum sense. So the way I feel about you, Charles, while I sit here as the sun is desperately trying to tell me that it's waking up here in the UK, it’s late in the afternoon for you on the other side of the planet, we are completely connected. Energetically through the quantum realm. And we can actually feel that connection. If we allow ourselves to feel that connection. And that comes through the quantum realm, and it means space-time. I mean, Einstein was already working with these principles in the early 20th century. The space-time concept that the human mind gets locked into is a construct. It's actually not real. We think it's real. But it's not real, but quantum perspective is real.

Charles Kovess

You had a quote in the first article from Einstein. He predicted that the whole field of health would be all energetics related, but it hasn't yet happened, has it? So your articles I think are gonna play a crucial role in waking people up, not the medical profession, but humanity. You know who are In fact, when I think about it, gosh, how many billions of people on the planet would already be doing what you're talking about in these two articles?

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yes. The irony is we all are doing it all at the time. We do many things. The very fact that we prefer to where we can act in love. We see a devastating thing going on at the moment in in Southeast Turkey and Syria with the earthquake. But if you look at the outpouring of love and support that is going to that area, that changes outcome. In the same way that if we act in love towards one another, it's why when we want to affect change we see a world where we don't like what people like Bill Gates are doing. If we decide to be very, very hostile and very negative about everything that people like that are doing, what we do is actually lower the frequency. We don't raise it. When we raise the frequency is when we go out there and we just say let that guy do what he what he's doing, but don't let him control our destiny. So this idea of creating a new future. But TNT is doing it with a new media, but we also need new education systems. We need new healthcare systems. These are all things that many of us are working on and this level of consciousness that you need to do that has actually been precipitated. Particularly in the last three years, that's why this is really, Charles, a magical time to be alive. This is the time that all of us have been waiting for so that we can help craft a new world and pull something that appears to be coming out of the ashes. What we can't afford to do is be distracted and be taken down these teflon coated routes that they've prepared for us. We have to wake up and dare I say it, smell the roses.

Charles Kovess

I love it, and that's a perfect segue to my next question on smelling the roses. And it is my contention and I am an expert on health, not to your level, but I am an expert. It is my contention that one of the keys to wonderful health is frequent sexual intercourse. And so my question to you and it is my view that most people are not having anywhere near as much sexual intercourse as is good for them. And my question to you is, do you know any research showing that lots of sexual intercourse is remarkably good for one's health.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yes, absolutely the strangest thing is that there is a good amount of research to indicate that a sexually fulfilled life is one of the richest lives that that we can have. But it has been this religious artifact that's essentially quashed it this idea that if you're going to be deeply spiritual you have to give it all up. It's been a strange concept and of course the difficulty is that libido itself is probably one of the most sensitive measures of health that.

Charles Kovess

Everybody, Please note that. Libido, both male and female.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yeah, absolutely. So again, in many of these ancient long-standing traditions, whether you look at Ayurveda or TCM but you see in, in many indigenous systems, in medicine, they look to libido as one of the most sensitive markers for health. You know, the crazy thing in the western world. Is that you go and see a General practitioner. When was the last time the GP asked, Hey, Charles, how's your libido? It's a taboo subject. We've pushed it under the carpet. Yet in many of these other cultures, they know full well that if you've lost your libido, well, come on, let's look at the things that are going on in that person's life that have caused that to happen. So, we could address them because if you don't address them because you are dealing with stress or some underlying complication you will develop some serious symptoms of disease and in the Western model we literally wait until the machine has broken down, until we're riddled with cancer or we've got symptoms of a major disease. We go into a doctor and guess what? They treat the symptoms. They don't treat the underlying causes. So yeah, libido is probably the single most sensitive marker for it, but again, what we see in this modern world and in this woke world is attempts to distort this idea of what sexual energy is all about. I mean the I'm very disturbed by see with some of the woke trends that are going on due to try and eliminate this distinction between men and women. I do believe, and I know we're on TNT, so we can be as controversial as possible. I do believe that it is part of the transhuman agenda. I think that is the pathway in which you see, Klaus Schwab and others talk very openly about it. Where you see a blurring between the digital and the biological. That is happening already and in order to do that, well, what about trying to. Reduce fertility in people. The =covid jabs. We know that mRNA actually accumulates in the ovaries in the testes. We know that when you put people into very, very highly stressed environments, because you create so much fear about an invisible virus and about what might happen with the climate and everything. People are less likely to be in a positive space so that they can engage in sexual intercourse to procreate the next generation. So we've got this this multi layered impact that is now going on on the planet that some. Could have some pretty disastrous consequences, unless we rail it in pretty soon.

Charles Kovess

I love it. There's the message and there's the message from me and from Rob Verkerk that lots of sexual intercourse is good for you. Not bad for you, and if you're libido is low, check it and Rob, I wonder whether you saw the posters that were shown in demonstrations against covid. There were a number of posters that said unjabbed sperm is the new Bitcoin.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Exactly. Yeah, I know.

Charles Kovess

Do you like tha? Unjabbed sperm is the new Bitcoin. Now we've got a minute left with you, Rob. You told me you took a cold shower before you started at 5:00 AM this morning on the show with me. And I'm so grateful. So give us a couple of clues. What are the crucial things that you do to be in good health and look after your health, including cold showers on go.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Let me get this straight. I said last night I may take one and I didn't take one. So hey, the that was because I needed to get here very quickly, but I do struggle having grown up in East Africa and spent a lot of time in warm climates, I do struggle with the cold showers somewhat. What do I do?

#1 purpose. You have to have something in your life that is bigger than yourself. That is gonna drive you. It’s what the Japanese call Ikigai. So when you throw your legs out of bed in the morning and get up, you know what? You're gonna be the bigger purpose that you've done it. It may be to do with just having an amazing day with your children, your family, your animals with nature, whatever. It may be, something bigger than that. It can be anything that really, really floats your boat. So I think purpose is probably the single most important thing. This idea of incorporating diversity into your life into every single day is really, really key and that may start in the morning. With the diversity, the way in which you move. So for example, we've been here for a couple of hours chatting away. But I could have chosen to sit on my saddle chair.

Charles Kovess

They're gonna stop us. But you moved around.

Rob Verkerk PhD

Yeah, yeah.

Charles Kovess

Thank you so much. We've got 10 seconds to go. You're a superstar. Thanks, everybody. We're back with you in two weeks time.